60 days with Ubuntu
mai 30, 2007
I have been using Ubuntu for approximately 2 months now. This has been a fairly monogamous relationship, I think I booted Windows all of twice, mostly because I had to go to a specific site that uses IE7 streaming capabilities. I know I can install IE7 in Ubuntu, but I am not that devious.
So, how does it feel like?
Well, the initial impression remains: this is one damn fast OS. It may because of its specific architecture; it may be because developpers are not trying to reinvent the wheel every time they develop a feature that is already implemented somewhere in a library and thus reuse exiting stuff; or it may be because I do not have to run anti-virus software, a desktop-based firewall, defragmentation, anti-spyware software, etc., thus saving computing cycles for the task at hand. I don’t know. I just know it boots in seconds, shutrs down in seconds and is generally fabulously responsive!
Gnome is not a great looking desktop but it does the job and I find it generally uncluttered and perfectly suited for my needs. No, I won’t switch to KDE. One, because speed is very important for me so, if I have to switch, I’d rather go to XFCE. Also, I tried Amarok and HATED the interface so I believe KDE is just not for me. I don’t want to configure my third mouse-button, I am no Linus Torvald, so Gnome is great.
Synaptic is fantastic. I have installed a few apps through .deb packages, but I generally stick to Synaptic, just because it makes updates so headaches free. This is a fantastic feature and one that is probably only available thanks to FOSS so I believe that is a unique strength of GNU/Linux. I end up trying many more apps than I did in Windows because they are free, they are generally very different from one another (why redevelop a new me-too product if you are not going to be paid for it?) and I can just install them, test them for a few days and just move on if I don’t like them. Great.
The best feature of Ubuntu is not software but its social networks: all of the good guys contributing to the forums and helping noobs like me switch. I did not foresee that, but I do believe it is a key strength of the distribution, the amount of pro bono work being done by an army of volunteers on the web. The French community is particularly active for some reason and I cannot thank these guys enough for their help.
I don’t miss Outlook, I don’t miss Paint.net, I don’t miss WMP, I don’t miss Word or PowerPoint but I do miss Excel. OO is okay but a tad slow, ugly and misses a few key features that I liked in Office. No big deal, though.
I am looking forward to Jamie making progress with MetaTracker as the ability to search my emails is a real killer feature for me.
Now for the negative:
- I can live with the command-based and do see how productive it is (the French Ubuntu community is putting together fantastic how-tos that I just have to copy and paste from to install and parameter stuff like SAMBA, merci les gars) but I generally prefer using GUIs and it is an issue that there are so many things I still have to do “manually”.
- I hate the file-based access rights management that Linux uses. I hate it. Remember, in Windows, you don’t care about that stuff and I really haven’t done so since CS classes 15 years ago. I am thinking of just giving root its own password and using it as my main account, I am so pissed about having to sudo this, sudo that because I can’t write to usr/share/games/whatever.
- It is too bad the Ubuntu team seems a bit shy about adding more stuff to the initial distribution. Reinstalling means reinstalling tons of small stuff that I like (preload for instance, another one is this small package that allows you to open the terminal in the window through a righ-click, I have even forgotten its name). Why not just include more of these utilities out-of-the box?
- I am generally uncomfortable with some of the religious debates that even users like me get pulled into on forums. Why is Automatix bad, again? Who cares if this driver is free or not? Unrar is an example: I don’t know if I want the free Unrar or the unfree UnRAR, i just want the one that works. I understand that on some theoretical level, free is important , but I am just a user and I do not want to have a theological argument every time I open a .pdf.
So this is it: I am staying in Ubuntu/Linux/GNU. No going back: this is a great OS and I am spreading the word around me. The single greatest strength is the social engine of Ubuntu and it does change the way one looks at an OS and at one’s computer.
mai 30, 2007 at 3:37
Hi,
Wonderful article! Keep up the very good work
Ubuntu is simply wonderful and everybody should use this OS and dump Windows. When I say everybody, I reffer to every respectable man or woman out there
mai 30, 2007 at 4:34
>> “I am thinking of just giving root its own password and using it as my main account, I am so pissed about having to sudo this, sudo that because I can’t write to usr/share/games/whatever.” NOOOOO!
That kinda breaks the whole security thing.
try# sudo su
this allows all commands following to come as root.
>> “I understand that on some theoretical level, free is important , but I am just a user”
All this linux stuff and gpl stuff is free (as in beer) because of this, so it’s important to get more source into the community, so it is free (as in speech).
I also use closed-source drivers and things but it is important to know the moral way.
Good article!
mai 30, 2007 at 5:52
yeah you really don’t want to use your root account for everyday tasks. You may not care about permissions, now, but believe me, you will after you do something stupid, or contract some malware of some sort. Sometimes you wanna make damn sure before you hit enter on that rm (or fdisk, or rmdir, or …the list goes on) command, and even if you swear you won’t feel bad when you screw something up, you will when one of your friends does, or your kids, or whoever.
mai 30, 2007 at 7:36
Why right-click on desktop for terminal when you can easily set a keyboard shortcut in gnome? I have the left “windows” key mapped to start a terminal. Just open the keyboard shortcuts utility, find the one for gnome terminal, and press the key you want to use.
Note, though, that the two windows keys are not modifiers like shift, control, or alt. So you can’t use them in combination with another regular key like in Windows.
And, I urge you to get used to sudo (or gksudo for graphical programs). Even windows is going that direction with Vista. In Windows, you are supposed to use “runas”, not run as administrator, by the way. Want to know why? Read up on the recent problems in Estonia, and ask yourself where those bot armies are coming from that are being used.
mai 30, 2007 at 10:15
@MN
Thanks for the compliment!
@dougfractal, trashcat, linfidel
OK, I admit defeat and will not use root! Thanks for all of the solutions you suggested to this particular problem. I’ll try them and will report back!
mai 30, 2007 at 11:43
Nice article.
Could you specify some examples of things that can only be done in a terminal, and not through a GUI?
The user permissions really are a good feature and so is the separation of the root account; it can get annoying, but its better than running antivirus, antiadware, antispyware, antimalware, etc.
I agree with you comment about more out-of-the box. Although Ubuntu has more stuff out-of-the-box than Windows, some things could be included that are not. The issues blocking specific software from being included may include: a) the proprietary status of the software or license restrictions (like I believe Adobe PDF Reader) b) the dispute over what to include or if to do so at all (i.e. Person A might not want a certain application because it is useless for them while Person B would find it absolutely necessary.) c) storage space: it may make Ubuntu larger than a CD or otherwise use more space than certain users can afford on their computer.
Why is Automatix bad, again?
Automatix has caused some people to break their system, especially while upgrading (although problems have occurred by simply installing software in Automatix). It keeps its installed software independent from apt-get (Synaptic is a GUI frontend for apt-get). And therefore the software it installs is only upgraded if you manually uninstall and reinstall the software (not through apt-get) in Automatix. There is no special thing to Automatix to make it worthwhile since every (or nearly) piece of software can be installed through apt-get/Synaptic.
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mai 31, 2007 at 7:13
I am not going to say that KDE is faster than gnome, but at least i can’t tell the differance in speed between these 2.
now fedora 7 is out, i suggest you may try it out, i personally believe fedora is better than ubuntu on speed issue.
mai 31, 2007 at 7:13
You are saying you like the fact that you don’t have to use anti virus and firewall. And then you are saying you don’t like that you don’t automatically have write permission to system files. Do you see the mismatch?
mai 31, 2007 at 7:22
well I use a mac and its better than any microsoft product . Will try ubuntu later this year
http://www.dharmender.com
mai 31, 2007 at 7:26
Stated perfectly. However, I like the way it handles file permissions, in windows it was too easy to mess things up.
http://www.techystuff.info
mai 31, 2007 at 7:29
sudo -s is your friend, running everything as root is REALLY bad!
mai 31, 2007 at 7:31
I swapped out video cards and downgraded to a Matrox and after booting, the machine no longer comes up. Windows is a little more friendly with this. Once you kill Linux, you really need to be a guru to fix it. That’s the only drawback. But it is SOOOOOOOOOOO NICE not needing software such as Spybot Search & Destroy and Norton and all of the other overhead that you need to run in Windows. It’s also nice knowing that some new exploit that comes out for IE doesn’t affect a Linux user. Since the majority of the people use Windows, the majority of the hackers like to turn Windows computers into zombies for spam and viruses.
mai 31, 2007 at 7:35
Geez, I wish my French was fractionally as good as your English! Excellent article. I continue to look on Ubuntu’s progress from the sidelines, unfortunately – I would love to install it and switch from XP, but I must have Photoshop for my work. EVERYTHING else I use, I can find in Ubuntu, but Photoshop continues to keep me nailed to Windows (Yes, I know about Gimp but hate the interface, and know about Gimpshop but have never been able to even get it to run). Enjoy your speedy computer!
mai 31, 2007 at 7:37
I have been a mac user since 1992. A month ago I decided to set up Ubuntu with Bootcamp in my Macbook Pro CD2. Blazing fast, but not without some issues (mainly due to the fact that it’s an unsupported hardware) but I have been able to get Bluttoth, iSight Camera and the trackpad work as they do in OSX. Beryl really kicks othe GUI’s
Ubuntu is a very nice distro, although for people coming from other OS it’s hard to manage. For example, I installed some updates yesterday and my iSight stopped working. I got it back up, but not after some recompiling.
I will recommend it, specially is you have hardware that has all the drivers avaialble.
mai 31, 2007 at 7:40
I have been using Ubuntu for about the same amount of time and i agree with almost all your points, yeah.
Sudo i don’t mind, but not being able to plain write to
/usr/ drives me batty.
I dont miss excell but i do miss powerpoint. the one that comes with oo pretty much sucks.
for word processing if i am in a hurry i use abiword. but otherwise i use oo.
I defenetly prefer Gnome over kde by far, and i dont like xfce that much.
and yeah, not having to defrag/scan for viruses is a beautiful thing
good blog, i like it.
mai 31, 2007 at 7:41
OO can be a lot faster if you disable the Java Runtime Environment option in the OO settings. I mean like 3x as fast…..
mai 31, 2007 at 7:42
Want a quick terminal? Run Tilda
, http://tilda.sf.net.
It can be installed from the Ubuntu repositories as well.
mmm self promotion…
Tristan
mai 31, 2007 at 7:46
Although I am not sure about speed, I will say that KDE offers more “fluff”. As I was an artist in a former life and am now a unix admin, I like having the cmd line to do what I know best but the kde-look.org to make my gui pretty when i don’t want to use the cmd line.
I also want to reiterate what everyone says about root. A few years back I got tired of sudoing and logged in as root. Then at a cmd line (thinking I was in a sub dir) I typed “rm -fr”. Unfortunately I was not in the dir I thought, I was in the root dir(“/”). I’ll let you figure out how hard I banged my head on the wall after that one.
As for the permissions, I think you are correct. When I’m at work and managing a system with > 100 users, I’m happy that everything is locked by default. However, when I get home and I’m the only user on my system, I’d like the choice of having all OS files locked to root but everything else unlocked.
Finally, with regards to the additional software installed by default: If you want more fluff, use SuSE. IMHO, it is the best OS out there for a Windows user wanting to be introduced to Linux. It comes with all the software you could ever want, all the plugins, etc. Also has one of the easiest to use Linux GUI’s for non Linux users. You may use the cmd line 1 out of every 100 times you do something. The GUI’s take care of everything. It also takes up just as much hard drive space and RAM as Windows because of all the additional software). In other words, “lots of additional software” = “slow OS”
Either way, great article.
mai 31, 2007 at 7:48
Honestly, I think you’d be pleasantly surprised by the performance of KDE. In my experience, it’s faster than Gnome for at least a couple of years now.
As always, YMMV.
mai 31, 2007 at 7:53
good article and i agree with the conclusions.
On the religious dogma point. It’s fine for the developers to argue these points but I think they miss the key issue you pointed out: USERS WANT IT TO JUST WORK. Don’t fight the crusades on their desktop. Just give them software that friggin works. Microsoft gets this point and has for 15 years. The sooner that becomes the mantra of the Linux community, the sooner we will see the tide turning.
mai 31, 2007 at 8:00
Interesting article; it’s always nice to hear other people’s experience with Ubuntu.
mai 31, 2007 at 8:01
If you miss Excel, and you find OO to be slow, you should try GNUmeric. I keep OO installed, but I mostly use Abiword and GNUmeric. I don’t need an entire office. I just need a word processor and a spreadhseet.
mai 31, 2007 at 8:12
I’m really happy about unbuntu, it really brings back the community spirit. It’s just great to see magazines again full of source code with “linux” on the front, and entire OS on the front cover for free. It’s truly a wonderful time. It’s what computing is all about, it reminds me of the early Amiga/ST/Spectrum days. It’s what computing is all about. Let’s hope it keeps growing and evolving and linux/Ubuntu truly becomes so user friendly that even considering a paid OS would be rather silly. It just needs the weight of a truly global brand like Google behind it. I truly admire Mark Shuttleworth for making Ubuntu Happen.
I actaully find the geeky fights quite amusing actually, it’s actually really fascinating!
mai 31, 2007 at 8:13
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mai 31, 2007 at 8:23
I Like Ubuntu but i don’t like how the software lists are so small and limited it seems, for instance smaller, yet useful security tools arn’t avliable in a .deb using the gui software manager. I miss some tools like air snort and air crack and the whole WEP cracking suite
mai 31, 2007 at 8:28
Just so I know, I made the switch 4 months ago and I was keeping my HD dual boot so I could use windows whenever I needed it for an windows-only app. Now, I don’t even have to , because of a free, open source program called VirtualBox, that virtualizes Windows very well. None of the programs I use with it runs slow, and I use it for iTunes (I don’t like the iPod support on Linux) and Magic Workstation. You should try, if you have the RAM to spare.
mai 31, 2007 at 8:29
I can understand that having to type sudo and your password in all the time could be frustrating. On the other hand, you shouldn’t be doing that. Why are you trying to write to directories outside your home folder so often in the first place? All of your applications settings and all of the documents you create with those applications are in your home folder. Even if you’re installing software outside the packaging system, typing sudo is only required when you first install the software, not to run it. If you’re constantly typing sudo to edit stuff in /usr I suspect you’re confused about what your home folder is for, or maybe you do something rather non-standard with your configuration?
mai 31, 2007 at 8:35
I’ve been using Ubuntu for… approx 2 years now and I have no plans at all to switch back.
I absolutely love it, and i’m glad you admitted defeat over the whole root thing! Once your software is all set up it shouldn’t bother you so much
you’ll have very little need to be root.
Aside from that, enjoy. It can only get better.
mai 31, 2007 at 8:40
What release did you use? If I missed that sorry…
mai 31, 2007 at 8:46
I have not fully gotten onto the bandwagon just yet, too busy with work stuff, but have tested it out would agree with you on most your points. And I would add that if you miss excel you should check out google docs. Their spreadsheet app does just about everything that excel does (this is coming from a basic excel user)
mai 31, 2007 at 8:49
Don’t forget to give Wine a try it really is very good these days. Trever you should try running photoshop through Wine
http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=1336
granted you may have a version that doesn’t work well but nothing ventured nothing gained and if it doesn’t work just stick with Windows until it does.
Wine is a great way to transition to linux after all Windows does have some great applications that you may not be ready to part with and that’s understandable. Like I say I think you’ll be surprised at just what windows programs you can get to run well under Linux.
mai 31, 2007 at 9:00
Fedora 7 has just been released. Try it, you won’t regret it.
mai 31, 2007 at 9:07
Great article.
You have really helped me make my mind, not trough technichal explanaitons why is Linux better, just by telling me what your experience has been.
Thanks for showing this point of view.
mai 31, 2007 at 9:26
Great article. I am into week two with Ubuntu and some of the things you hate I really like. Using the commands and manually entering things really reminds me of my early computer days where if you wanted a program you wrote the code. I have not done that since my Apple IIC days and BASIC, but it is fun. The forums are the best. I have been able to install almost everything that I need using tips that I have come across in the the forums including my printer. The scanner is still a problem since it does not appear to be supported by XSANE. I have actually grown fond of RythmBox as an audio aggregator. My wife is starting to get used to the set up. I have imported her Thunderbird with address book and imported the my documents files from Office and put it on the desk top so she can find it. We had been using Firefox for eons so that transition was not bad. The desktop is a little plain but the speed makes up for the looks.
I feel as if I have rescued my three year old box from oblivion.
I am running VISTA on a new HP laptop and it is driving me crazy. I am almost ready to dump it and install Feisty Fawn as the operating system though it does not need the horsepower on the machine.
Keep all of us newbies informed of your progress. Rich
mai 31, 2007 at 9:32
If you miss Excel, then just use OpenOffice.org for your spreadsheet. Free to download; owned/ operated by Sun Microsystems.
mai 31, 2007 at 9:34
Spell check, please.
mai 31, 2007 at 9:34
I just switched to an Ubuntu/Vista a couple of weeks ago, assuming that I would merely play with Linux, and have found myself eager to remove Vista and go Ubuntu full time. Once I get Synfig Studio figured out and find a good Bitmap Tracing solution I’ll probably drop Vista all together. It’s just really solid. Little more work though. Freedom isn’t free I guess.
mai 31, 2007 at 9:44
I made the switch and was hoping to report the same good results as you, but alas I made one big mistake that I didn’t know about until it was too late:
I bought an AMD64 motherboard when I bought the hardware.
The number of things that don’t work for 64 bit are annoying to say the least. Some things like flash and other browser plugins that we take for granted in Windozzz mean that I always have to have Windozzz running somewhere, even if it is in a VMWare session r unning under Linux.
Oh well…
mai 31, 2007 at 9:47
Automatix is allegedly bad because it may permanently alter the way package management is handled. Sort of like marijuana for your Linux box: it may make life less stressful in the short term, but there’s anecdotal rumors of dire consequences further down the line.
mai 31, 2007 at 9:52
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mai 31, 2007 at 9:59
Im a Suse user also evluating Ubuntu (Feisty). I am impressed. The Sudo thing kills me too. Have you tried:
sudo -i
to main logged in as root for any larger configuration. I too hate to sudo for every darn thing.
Hope that helps
mai 31, 2007 at 10:06
I have been using ubuntu for about 6 months now, what can i say… my mileage greatly varies from yours. I have installed it on 4 different computers and on 2 of them ubuntu became sluggish and slow as hell in a matter of weeks fo a reason I couldn’t find had to reinstall to get rid of it.
on 1 computer it simply wouldn’t boot at first and it took me 5 days to have the soundcard working, and another week to have an external hard drive up and running.
I’m not linus torvalds either, but I have to go with him, gnome is so uncluttered it doesn’t actually offer basic features and is utterly useless for my use of a computer so I switched to kde which actually does the job that gnome didn’t and is as fast or faster for the task that matters to me. I agree that amarok UI is hell and amarok is half working on 2 out of 4 computers. I’m sticking to foobar2000 with wine.
synaptic ruined the OS twice to a broken beyond repairs state, adept crashes for no apparent reason from time to time. so I’m sticking to apt-get.
I’ve wandered arpunt ubuntu social networks both global and fr, I’ve helped myself and a bunch of people outthere, but 3 out of 4 of my question found no answer and let me out by myself. I’ve been trashed and jailed by an authoritarian admin for saying stuff that he didn’t like. the message was in substance “conform, do what you are told, and shut up or begone”
nothing to do with a truly open community, I guess it’s politics as usual as in any other sysop power structure driven community (see http://develop.consumerium.org/wiki/Politics_as_usual ).
then came a few updates that broke Xorg (the GUI), which I had to manually fix (luckily I do have some technical background and skills), then came the update that made ubuntu unable to detect my external hard drive anymore, then the simple backup utility stopped working for no reason…
And I’m not talking about vmware hanging the computer 2 times out of 4, then every time (with usb enabled in virtual OS), or with being unable to remove some software you don’t need or wan’t.
try to get rid of firefox 2.0 (I use opera and firefox 1.5 or iceweasel) and you’ll end up with a computer with no usable OS.
so IMHO, ubuntu is a nice idea, with a great goal but it’s far from being there and ubuntu has upset a lot of people and driven them away due to lack of usability, of freedom of choice, of quality of service, and so on.
but this is improving over time, (the first time I tried to install ubuntu the cd would go to boot menu and hang up right after unable to find the drive it booted from cause the drive was sata) so I guess what I want to say is do try ubuntu or kubuntu by yourself, you could be part of the majority of people who encounter no particular problem with it, but don’t believe it is a silver bullet OS or you might be very disappointed, and in case you’re part of those heving trouble with ubuntu, you can always try 6 months later with the next release.
BTW, you might find it interesting to read this essay: “world domination 201″ This paper, written with Rob Landley, explains why 2008 is a deadline for popular Linux acceptance on the desktop, and examines the strategy and tactics necessary to achieve that.
http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/world-domination/world-domination-201.html
mai 31, 2007 at 10:19
You mentioned not wanting to configure the third mouse button… and why would you want to? After all, it does the MOST amazing thing out-of-the-box: copy & paste. Try it! Select some text in one window, switch to another window or application, position your cursor and press the middle mouse button! Voila, instant copy/paste. I swear, I could never go back to Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V, aside from things like pictures…
Glad to hear you like Ubuntu!
–Drew
mai 31, 2007 at 10:26
sudo and then enter your password can get pretty annoying, especially if you have to do this a couple hundred times. You can “sudo su” or “sudo -s” and stay in root until your done with admin needs. Then simply type “exit” at the cli to go back to your regular user.
Please don’t login as root for day to day stuff. Rootkits are the biggest security problem with linux, you must be logged in as root for most of them to work.
Changing you root password is easy however and frankly not a bad idea (just remember what it is):
sudo -s
then
passwd root
mai 31, 2007 at 10:30
Regarding your complaint about included utilities:
Ubuntu is committed to being able to fit onto 1 CD (unlike Fedora which the last time I installed required 6). Unfortunately, this means that once the OS is packed onto the disc, only about 150MB remains for other utils. Throw OpenOffice and some of the media players in, and you are almost out of space. They are trying to remove more packages and improve the .iso compression so they can add new programs. Until [HD]DVD/Blu-ray, or some other media renders the CD completely obsolete, the Ubuntu team is dealing with limited space.
mai 31, 2007 at 10:35
dougfractal:
“sudo -s” is better than “sudo sh” or “sudo bash”
All three give you a root terminal, but the prior still logs every command executed to /var/log/sudolog, while the latter two only keep a log in /root/.bash_history
If you ever screw something up and are trying to figure out what you did, having just 1 log to look at for admin commands is way better than 2, especially since bash_history doesn’t have timestamps!
mai 31, 2007 at 10:35
Start using Gnumeric and you’ll never miss Excel ever again. (Trust me on this one.)
You can install it via Synaptic (package name is “gnumeric”, I believe). It’s FAR more capable than OpenOffice’s spreadsheet application. I wouldn’t have been able to do serious scientific work with Gnumeric’s stats and plotting features. (It’s the first app that I’ve ever used that seems to have made creating charts easy.)
mai 31, 2007 at 10:59
MN said (in the first comment), “Ubuntu is simply wonderful and everybody should use this OS and dump Windows. When I say everybody, I reffer to every respectable man”
I run Ubuntu in VMware on my Windows laptop and do quite a bit in it. I’d like it to be the primary OS, but there are a few critical things for a laptop that it can’t seem to get right:
1. Wireless networking
2. Power management
3. Memory card support
4. Bluetooth synch with my mobile phone
I could live with running Windows apps under Wine or VMWare, but that won’t solve the above problems.
mai 31, 2007 at 11:08
For those who need windows for one reason or another (for me it’s windows only CAD and developemtn tools), I would suggest running Ubuntu under VmWare server with a windows ‘host’ system. I do this at work and can spend 90-95% of my time in ubuntu. I tried running windows as guest with linux as host, and it didn’t work nearly as well as the opposite approach. You need a fair bit of memory (1G is good) and a decent CPU (P4 should be okay), but I’m very happy with it.
mai 31, 2007 at 11:28
Kool, but i need Office and various dev tools/ide’s that Ubuntu doesnt support so until then (or never) windows it’ll be.
juin 1, 2007 at 12:15
To reinforce some things already stated here…and hopefully a long boring explanation, 99.9% of everything you might ever need to edit by hand will be in your home directory.
/usr and its contents are where applications that “users” use live, but should not be modified. All of their configs for “you” live in your home directory.
Remember, linux is unix, which means it is by heart and soul a “multi-user” environment…meaning technically many people could be logged into the same box at the same time. You can’t have them walking on each other over-writing application files.
As mentioned above, if you do find yourself constantly needing to write or edit files outside of your home directory….then check with a friend or someone online with a little more time in linux and see if you have picked up a habit that is…incorect, for lack of a better word.
Linux is, fundamentally a different mind set.The intention is that the worst thing you can do is destroy your home directory, but never the system.
Last but not least, relax, in time the mind set will come.
john
juin 1, 2007 at 12:21
Wow, I just found your article via Digg, and I have switched to Ubuntu 3 weeks ago. I have been an avid Windows user since 3.11, so I thought I’d never switch to Linux, or that Linux was for ubernerds. But here I am, so grateful for Ubuntu and the Open Source community. Ubuntu Rocks, and btw, I agree with everything you said, including the bad parts.
juin 1, 2007 at 12:43
Ok, I tried Ubuntu. and all this talk of recompiling and installing software is a real turn off. I finally had to quit with Ubuntu. It has come a long way but still has many miles to go re: the simplicity of installing software for windows, even under Vista.
When the fanatics get off their rears and make it easy to install other software without knowing what sudo means, then it might be more acceptable. I sure as heck don’t want to know how to re-compile the kernel.
ducking and weaving as I know that the flames will get hot..
juin 1, 2007 at 12:57
What I did to get over the sudo was to drag a home or computer from places to panel to create a launcher.
Then right-click properties and change the command:
nautilus –no-desktop to gksudo natilus.
And I now always have a sudo nautilus that allows me to do anything to my files just as I had in windows.
juin 1, 2007 at 1:48
Enjoyable and prescient article! States a view from a normal computer user – like what most of us are.
What all the computer geeks who religiously foment about all these Unix-based OSes need to understand is this: yes I want an OS better than Windows, but not if it is more cumbersome.
Flame away about how the average user needs to be smarter about software, but that will never convince us to use your great software.
juin 1, 2007 at 2:36
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juin 1, 2007 at 3:01
I recently upgraded to 7.04. Problem so far:
1. My NTFS partitions are sometimes not mounted ( a reboot fixes that but it’s still painful, I think it’s a fuse problem somewhere)
2. Full screen games switch to windowed mode in the middle of the game for several seconds and than back to full screen (this is annoying)
3. Automatix sucks, I install something with Synaptic and Automatix doesn’t see it (that’s baaad)
Other than that, my respect to Ubuntu team.
juin 1, 2007 at 4:39
I enjoyed reading your experience with Ubuntu.
I love Windows XP but I switched to Ubuntu as I have a problem with paying for software and decided to get legal.
For everyone who is frustrated with X, Y, and Z in Ubuntu.. rather than just giving up why not get involved? Submit feature requests and bug reports on launchpad.net.
If you’re not ready to jump in, run Ubuntu in a virtual machine inside your favorite OS.
Complain but complain to the right people. They are listening. Things will get better.
juin 1, 2007 at 6:44
You dont have to run anti-everything in windows if you are not installing rubbish.
juin 1, 2007 at 6:48
Try Linux Mint if you want all the great benefits of Ubuntu but with more software installed out of the box and a nicer interface.
There’s also aptOnCD if you want to back up all the software you’ve installed so that if you ever need to reinstall the OS you can just plop in the CD and voila, you’re back where you started with all your software installed
juin 1, 2007 at 10:01
Why articles like these make it to Digg is way beyond my comprehension. To me you’re just some random guy who switched to Ubuntu. Big deal.
I suppose your article appeals to those Windows users who think they love opensource (although they can’t let go of Microsoft for one reason or another). They love to see the FOSS movement “grow” without actually contribuiting in any way.
– WHATEVER –
Some random dude said everybody should run Ubuntu and dump Windows. News flash: Ubuntu and Windows are not the only operating systems out there.
Sheesh.
juin 1, 2007 at 10:07
I’m in the exact same boat as you. I made a full conversion from windows just about 2 months ago and haven’t looked back since. The community support has been the best resource. Any problem I had 10 other people have already had and have found a fix.
With the constant updates on Wine, the way Amarok handles media, and the OO suite, I don’t miss a think about having XP installed on my system.
juin 1, 2007 at 10:38
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juin 1, 2007 at 10:43
I’ve cited your good arcticle in my blog. Good luck.
juin 1, 2007 at 10:45
Its really lovely article or story whatever you can say. But its really interesting.
juin 1, 2007 at 11:57
Ubuntu is really nice … but as it is … Windows XP /sp2 is doing the job. So unless I’m getting a new machine that has a good price differential for linux installed, I won’t uninstall Windows XP from the working setup that I have on my notebook and use Ubuntu alone.
I do dual-boot on one notebook. I also use a SHARP Zaurus C1000 clampshell pda/mini-notebook thingie that runs linux/Cacko distro.
juin 1, 2007 at 2:54
nice summary of my experiences. only pity though is when your company is 100% M$ it can be a pain getting mail, getting online and doing exactly what one is so used to in Window$…
e.g. Evolution is awsome but where is my little sticky NOTES – i did use it alot!!! GAL lookups. yes it works but only after 800 complaints why it could not work!! anyway.. it is already a ton better than previous versions i used.
and then 3g/hsdpa data cards. why the mission to connect and ppp. it is really easy in windows.
but i will stay ubuntu and love it.
juin 1, 2007 at 3:58
I have found that gnumeric is better if you have experience with Excel. OOo’s spreadsheet is a joke. Things like text to columns are automatic in gnumeric.
juin 1, 2007 at 3:59
Great little write-up on Ubuntu.
You certainly hit upon most of the main points, both negative and positive, that I feel.
It’s fast, but there are a lot of catches and too much stuff I miss on windows.
Maybe in another 3-5 years there might be a decent GUI linux worth completely switching to.
juin 1, 2007 at 8:03
Nice summary of your experiences. I like hearing about new linux user’s trials and tribulations, since I want to switch myself. The only thing keeping me with Windows is the games. Cedega and Wine are good, but they ain’t perfect…
juin 1, 2007 at 10:06
But pal, if you think you are going to do 50 sudos in a row, why don’t do “sudo su” and stay there until you do your 50 tasks and then go back to “user mode”?
juin 1, 2007 at 11:49
So.. I didn’t have time to read all of the comments.
I will say this though. I have been using Ubuntu for over 8 months now and I will NOT go back to windows, and I’m a Windows Server Admin.
Linux over all is more secure. The Community for Linux is overwhelmingly strong. I have never seen such a group band together. I’m very proud to be a part of the Linux community.
Last but not at all least. Give something back. I started a blog at http://19incheswide.com and have been trying to keep as much on there as I possibly can. I will also be published in FullCircleMagazine.com in issue #2. Do what you can to help out others. May the Penguin be with you.
Mouseclone
http://mouseclone.com
http://19incheswide.com
juin 1, 2007 at 11:50
one other thing.
There is a super terminal. This will log you in as root to a terminal. No need for sudo that way.
juin 2, 2007 at 5:49
“I understand that on some theoretical level, free is important , but I am just a user and I do not want to have a theological argument every time I open a .pdf.”
So, I can sympathize with this statement, but, what stands out at me is that before you wrote this beautiful article, you were just a user, but now you are also a user and a journalist writing about GNU/Linux. You seem to value the community, the way in which people share, improve and create a wonderful system, and then you pass the idea of freedom off as secondary. But, this isn’t an insanely abstract thing . . . as a user you are the one who benefits the most from this freedom, and in a sense, the one who has the most control. This is because when you write an article like this, some of us listen. We genuinely care to improve the system so that society as a whole, yourself included, benefits. Freedom, therefore, is central to this system you enjoy, and since you want to continue using it, I hope that you continue writing good articles like this, and even more so, I hope you embrace the idea of free software and the four freedoms that come with it, that you share the beauty of a system built upon these freedoms, and that in doing so you continue to help improve it for everyone. Thank you, -Joshua Gay
juin 2, 2007 at 10:47
There’s really only one thing in the Linux world that’s vastly superior to Windows, and that is the KDE desktop. It’s a shame it’s so quickly discarded by those who do not take the time to appreciate it.
juin 2, 2007 at 4:55
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juin 4, 2007 at 3:06
I have made the switch to Linux recently and really I have so few complaints. I tried Ubuntu and Knoppix and Fedora but had problems getting the touchpad to work correctly and the screen resolution was too low. I spent days researching the screen resolution issue and the touchpad issue on forums and tried many approaches. I’m using a HP Pavilion dv6000 laptop, btw.
Eventually I got Mepis to work just like I wanted it to and I have really never looked back. I wiped Vista off completely and will never go back. What I like most about my Linux experience so far is that I feel a heck of a lot more independent this way. I’m also learning a heck of a lot more about programming and tweaking things to get them just like I want them to be.
Oh, and I LOVE using Amarok!
juin 4, 2007 at 4:55
Said NO to Micro$oft
juin 4, 2007 at 10:04
i’m gonna install this on my macbook pro and see what happens …
juin 4, 2007 at 8:17
Great article. I agree with you that the access rights management is a little cumbersome, especially to folks new to the entire process. However, it is extremely secure and versatile. If Ubuntu could come up with a way to lower the learning curve for newbies, that would definitely help the OS become more mainstream.
juin 6, 2007 at 5:08
Did you really use Amarok? I suggest you give it another try before “hating” he interface.
juin 6, 2007 at 7:59
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juin 6, 2007 at 9:03
sudo should be caching your password for 5 or 10 minutes. If not, you can edit your sudo config to fix that. The only case where that’s not yet possible is with kdesu (KDE’s su GUI which the Kubuntu people hacked to use sudo’s password rules) You can also increase the cache duration by editin the sudo config.
I agree that KDE seems faster than GNOME and I also suggest that you compare ________ with Yakuake. The former seems very crudely put together in comparison.
As for PDFs, I much prefer KPDF (I’m a KDE user) to Adobe Acrobat. Less bloated, doesn’t run embedded Javascripts (which can be used to track who is reading what when), and has a little “Obey DRM restrictions” checkbox I can uncheck. (which lets me then print PDFs that don’t want to be printed)
Re: Johnny Foglesong
Regarding the lack of auto-reconfiguration when swapping video cards, the X.org team is working on it and hopes to have it ready for general use within the next 6 to 12 months. (along with a bunch of other features like supporting up to 20 mouse cursors on screen simultaneously (great for collaborative teaching environments))
Re: Lindy
You can run x86 (32-bit) Linux on an amd64 system. If you couldn’t, it would be impossible to run Windows XP or 98 on an AMD64 system. (Yes, I know there is a 64-bit WinXP, but almost no hardware has drivers for it, so nobody uses it)
Re: anon
Have you considered using Audacious Media Player? It’s got a WinAmp-style GUI, but it’ll play just about any non-DRMed format ever invented and it’s fairly light on resources.
Re: richnrocvlle
Sounds like you didn’t do it properly. I’ve installed Ubuntu/Kubuntu for a good few people (family, friends, customers) and either you didn’t enable the extra package repositories (for stuff that has weird licensing terms or is maintained as “unofficially supported”) or you use a lot of extremely esoteric programs… and considering how many esoteric programs offer .deb packages, I seriously doubt it’s the latter case.
Re: orb9220
I’ve seen that feature many places. I think KDE includes it by default as a menu item named “File Manager – Super User Mode” but I’ve never seen a real need for it.
Re: Radu
Automatix is a 3rd-party thing that intentionally does things the wrong way in many cases. It doesn’t surprise me that it’s devs have trouble checking the apt package database as well.
Re: Jona
You need the anti-everything unless you’re disconnected from the internet. Nowadays, junk uses holes in programs (and not just Microsoft ones. Anything which talks to the ‘net) to install itself. Sometimes without having to ask you a single thing.
Re: anuragpanda
For the record, I hate Amarok too, but for completely different reasons. First, it’s UI design unintentionally punishes people who don’t organize by Genre –> Artist –> Album –> Title. (eg. People who organize by however their mind relates things and who prefer web-released, one-song-per-artist, album-free stuff like the game music remixes on OC Remix) Second, it uses Xine as a backend which doesn’t play all the chiptunes (eg. SPC, SID, GYM, NSF) and module (eg. MOD, IT, XM, S3M) formats I like.
For that reason, I’m sticking with Audacious Media Player and a pseudo-music-library based on a tree of folders with well-chosen filenames.
juin 6, 2007 at 9:06
Oops. I forgot to fill in that blank space. The tool I was saying should be compared to Yakuake when making your choice is Tilda.
I also forgot to mention that the Windows key is indeed a modifier like Shift, Ctrl, and Alt. I suspect the default Ubuntu config just reconfigures it to work as a regular key. (You can actually independantly configure the meanings of all 8 modifiers on a 104-key keyboard. I’ve got my right Alt set to AltGr and my right Ctrl as Compose)
juin 7, 2007 at 5:21
Thats just not true. Linux is not for compiuter novices. I have been an advanced XP user for quite some time, and after a week of linux use, I am still mystified to some degree. I have managed to get all the software and drivers I need by following guides, but it has been a rough ride. I know that novices as xp wouldn’t stand a snowball’s chance in hell of getting anything done with liux
juin 7, 2007 at 5:24
I need to address this problem. My dad got the great idea after heearing that Dell picked up Ubuntu to go buy one of their desktops with it preinstalled. What a mistake. Linux is not for compiuter novices. My dad is descent with XP but he’s no coputer wiz and linux is way over his head. I have been an advanced XP user for quite some time, and after a week of playing with his box, I am still mystified to some degree. I have managed to get all the software and drivers I need by following guides, but it has been a rough ride. I know that novices as xp wouldn’t stand a snowball’s chance in hell of getting anything done with linux. I’ve managed to learn how to use terminal and get things set up well, but how stuff works in there is still beyond me.
juin 8, 2007 at 8:47
My (similar) story after six months:
http://www.mbhoy.com/22-02-2007/six-months-on-pure-linux
Good read.
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Excellent article jean yves. Je ne peux que confirmer tes dires. Je suis moi-même passé a ubunto. j’évagélise autour de moi. Je reste cependant un fan du mac (à la maison).
A bietôt ur la WII ou aileurs
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août 1, 2007 at 4:32
I just installed Ubuntu yesterday. I didn’t do away with XP Pro though. I’ve got Ubuntu on a 2nd HD. I like it so far. Only thing is, I don’t know squat about it, gnome or anything else to do with Linux. And by the way, is it Linux with a long I sound as in eye, or with a short I sound.
Do I need a virus software and a firewall? I honestly don’t know since I’m as green as a spring leaf at Linux. I downloaded Thunderbird and tried to install it. Didn’t get the job done. Its one of those .tar files and I don’t know what to do with it. I don’t care for OO either. I’m used to using Word.
How does one find out what applications work with Ubuntu? Do you just install it and see if it works or what?
There’s so many versions of Linux, how do you know which one to pick. Just try them all I guess. No way Jose. You’re right though, it is fast. Except the boot up part. Still faster than XP though. How can you change the boot up screen?. How can you change the look of the desktop? God I’ve got a million questions and no answers. Has anybody wrote any PDF’s on Ubuntu?
Enjoyed your blog. Have fun.
août 1, 2007 at 5:26
@stratman2617
It is great that you are trying out Ubuntu. Let’s see if I can answer your questions:
* short or long I: I have no idea!
* anti-virus: it seems there is no need for that. At least one AV package (ClamAV) is available through SYnaptic, though, if you want to be on the safe side.
* firewall: yes, you need one but it needn’t be desktop_based. I have a Linksys router with built-in firewalling that works great.
* ThunderBird: you don’t need to go and manipaulte .tar files to get TB. Just use Synaptic (System/Administration)! If you have to have TB 2.0, install Automatix (through Synaptic) and Automatix will install TB 2.0 for you. By the way, install files for Ubuntu have a .deb extension. I believe .tar files need to be compiled. In a few months of running Ubuntu, I never had to compile something (although I did try for fun and it did not work!).
* Word: try AbiWord. It is really nice, although not close to Word in terms of features. It seems it is really easy to run Office on Ubuntu (see Synaptic, once again!).
* Apps that work with Ubuntu: just use Synaptic, the applications available through it have been extensively tested. Automatix is very helpful for more obscure stuff. Finally, try GetDeb (www.getdeb.net), their .deb files have always worked for me.
* Yes, I install stuff and see if it works for me. With Ubuntu, I haven’t run into some of the issues you have with XP if you install and deinstall too much stuff. Plus, trying out stuff is great when things are free!
* Versions of Linux: Ubuntu was the only one I tried, although I may have to give Mandriva a run for professionnal reasons. Why? Because people were saying nice things about it…
* Boot screen: see the ubuntu forums. I believe it is possible and easy.
* Look of the desktop: ah, that’s an area I love to tinker with and you are in luck with Gnome. Try art.gnome.org
* PDFs on Ubuntu: here again, I would suggest you start with the English language Ubuntu forums at ubuntuforums.org, most of your questions already have an answer…
Hope this helps and good luck,
JY
août 2, 2007 at 7:02
Hey JY: Thanks a lot for your help. I just found out what synaptic is this evening. I don’t know how to use it yet but I know where it is. There are a lot of terms in Linux that I’m totally unfamiliar with but I guess in time I will learn them. I didn’t learn DOS and Windows overnight and I expect this will be the same way. I have been to gnome.org and there is some awesome looking desktop themes on there. I don’t know anything about Gnome either. I still haven’t got Thunderbird installed and I tried to install Flash Player and didn’t get that done either. You know, sometimes you want to take your computer and throw it off a cliff. Oh well, I’ll get it together sooner or later. Thanks for the help.
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